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Post by Fran Gyomory on Sept 15, 2007 12:32:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2007 12:58:09 GMT -5
sorry i dont blame the teacher's, i blame the parents, there home life. if they are not taught at home to listen and follow instruction, then they will not do it in school nor anyplace else. parents today dont ask kids do you have homework. or keep after them, some do and some dont. everything stems from the home life.
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Post by Fran Gyomory on Sept 15, 2007 13:03:51 GMT -5
I don't totally agree with you Sue. I have known many teachers and been good friends for years while we lived in Virginia. Yes, some of them were wonderful and really worked with the children in their care but many of them just considered it a job and did nothing but talk about the kids and how rotten some of them were when we would meet for our Friday night dinners. You would be amazed to hear what can come out of the mouth of a teacher when they are off duty and mosty among other teachers.
I lost a lot of respect for the entire system of "education" or lack thereof, when I was in this group and later when I retired an substitute taught in the local middle school.
Yes, parents are a big part of the problem. Even when I taught Confirmation class I had to try to reason with parents who could care less that their children did not know any of the simple, first grade prayers. I had to start from scratch to get them ready for Confirmation and their attitudes were outragious in my classroom. Total lack of desire to learn and total lack of respect for us as teachers.
You cannot lay it totally on the parents though. The lack of structure in schools and lack of discipline is amazing.
If you could just drop in one day without notice, which doesn't happen unfortunately, you would see what really goes on in a classroom today.
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Post by Lenny on Sept 15, 2007 14:44:47 GMT -5
Working in the schools for 20 years and Mickey as well, we find that with both parents having to work these days, the parents have no time to be a part of their childrens school or education. Very little volunteerism on the part of the parents and if there is any at all it's the grandparents trying to fill the parent's shoes. Parents want big expensive homes, fancy cars, log cabins on the lake and all the toys of living the "Life Of Riley" They don't believe in sacrificing. Parents use the schools as a glorifed babysitting service and when school is over the poor kids have to go to after care programs run by the state or the Y.M.C.A. By the time they get home, there is little time for homework before bed, and parents are too tired or have no time to help the kids with homework. There is no discipline for the kids and the parents refuse to allow anyone else to discipline their children in the schools. The schools are war zones between parents and administrators with the constant threat of lawsuits against school systems. The losers here are not parents or schools.....but rather, the children.
I do see some hope though. When I am at the mall when babysitting, I am seeing more and more stay at home moms walking their babies through the mall lately, so maybe the trend is turning back the way it used to be. Dad is the bread winner while mom takes care of kids and house. I truly believe that was God's intent from the very beginng and when it was that way we did not have the problems with kids that we see today. If the schools could concentrate on educating our kids today instead of babysitting and raising them, then perhaps when they grow older and become parents themselves, they will be able to go on that T.V. show and truly be.........
Smarter Than A Fifth Grader!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2007 15:15:13 GMT -5
i am going to agree with lenny on this one, if the teachers did not have to spend half there time disciplining the students and teaching them right from wrong they would be able to teach better. that is something they should be learning in there home. they have no respect for the teachers, and i am sure that is why the teachers do not speak nicely
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Post by Lenny on Sept 15, 2007 15:52:07 GMT -5
Oh My God........................Sue is agreeing with me? Okay....what do you want from me Sue Sue? But before you tell me....let me get finished rolling on the floor first!  Yahoo! Hee Hee! Someone agrees with me on something! |
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Post by Fran Gyomory on Sept 15, 2007 18:12:21 GMT -5
In many cases both parents wouldn't have to work if they didn't HAVE TO HAVE everything they see others have!!!! Keeping up wth the Jones's keeps both parents on the job and out of the home when the children need them the most.
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Post by Lenny on Sept 15, 2007 18:24:05 GMT -5
Japanese and Chinese children...in fact most asian children are way ahead of the U.S. in education.
If you notice, they all wear uniforms. There is discipline and respect for adults.
Once you send a disciplined child to school in uniform, the focus can then be on reading, writing and arithmetic rather than competition between students to see whose wearing the latest name-brand designer clothes, or who is sporting an IPOD MP3 player and spending most of the day test messaging on their cell phones instead of learning.
One wonders if the asians didn't produce all these high tech toys to send here and distract our young people while they moved ahead of us in education.
We have become a hedonistic society and other countries are cashing in on our weakness and predisposition toward materialism. We have high schoolers who graduate at a fifth grade reading level with no aspirations toward successful vocations, white collar or blue collar. We graduate them like on an assembly line without being prepared for the outside world. Not all...but far too many and quite enough to undermine the future economy and status quo of the number one super power we know as the United States Of America.
We still have a high drop-out rate and teenage pregnancy rate. Parents shower their kids with all the expensive toys and instead of handing out education tools, we hand out condoms while spending millions on war and space shuttles as the self indulgent pursuit of pleasure has become a way of life.
We already see it as no American wants to do the work of a commoner anymore. This is why Mexicans are brought in as illegals to do what Americans think they are above doing. I see many American homeless people, but can you show me one Mexican family who eats at a soup kitchen or sleeps at a Salvation Army facility? They all come here and work. Cutting lawns, busboys at restaurants, picking crops in the field, janitorial work in schools, hospitals and malls. They ride a bike for miles and miles to and from work until they can afford a car. Anything that pays their bills and they all have a place to live while all our homeless are natural born Americans. Why is that?
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Post by pegleg on Sept 16, 2007 23:07:37 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this Fran. It hit home. First, two of the schools they talked about, Fremont HS and Homestead HS, were within 3 miles of where we lived in Sunnyvale, CA. Excellent reputations. Unfortunately we didn't live in either of those districts and our kids were slated to go to another HS- an OK, but not great school. We knew of people using false addresses in order to enroll in the better schools. We decided to send our kids to a private HS (Jesuit run). One of the women in the PTA called my wife in near rage, saying that we were "abandoning the public schools". My wife told her we were not about to abandon our kids to the public schools. Her son was at the same academic level as our oldest. By way of background, my wife volunteered in the public elementary and junior high schools, which were generally excellent. But my wife was able to almost hand pick the teachers they had. When the kids went to HS, she took a job as a teacher's aide in a Special Ed class in another public school. (That's a story in itself). In any case, our kids did very well, in HS, college and grad school/med school. When we moved back to Sunnyvale a few years ago, we bumped into the woman from the PTA - her son didn't go to college (although he was well capable). There could have been any number of reasons for this, but we thought it was sad. Watching the 20/20 folks interviewing the teachers who said they could fix the problem with $20K, $30K or $35K per year, per student, (instead of the $10K-$15K they currently get) just shows how completely out of touch with reality those teachers are. And the head of the Bd of Ed in North Carolina (I think that was her title) who said they were doing just fine, even though their scores were the worst in the country, really capped it. Vouchers are the only way to solve the problem. Let the parents put their kids in whatever school they want. Pretty soon the lousy schools will close, and their "teachers" will find gainful employment elsewhere. this is something the Dem Party will NEVER support- it takes power/money away from them. It is interesting that the NYC Board of Ed is running radio ads out here in CA trying to find teachers. Someone on the BxBd said they were running those ads in N. Carolina also. |
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