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Post by Lenny on Aug 27, 2007 19:10:24 GMT -5
Michael Vick pleads guilty to take plea deal of 12 to 18 month's. He says through this incident he found Jesus and turned his life over to God.
What do you think about this?
We've heard people say many times before that they have found God in prison, but only after they were caught doing whatever they were doing. If they were not caught, would they have found God and changed their ways or would they still be committing their crimes?
Does he deserve a lesser sentence because he has now found God and claims to be a changed man or should he serve a sentence for torturing and killing innocent animals by burning them and hanging them?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2007 19:25:32 GMT -5
I'll take a wait and see attitude. I don't want to judge his motives. After he serves his prison sentence, everyone will be watching to see if he will TALK THE TALK OR WALK THE WALK!
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Post by Lenny on Aug 27, 2007 19:32:02 GMT -5
I think the judge should give him half the maximum sentence. 2 1/2 years. I do not believe he should ever be allowed to play football again because he is not a good role model and example for kids who looked up to him. He should be made an example out of so kids will see that there are consequences to pay for bad choices and decisions.
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Post by Fran Gyomory on Aug 27, 2007 19:42:41 GMT -5
I believe Michael Vick, like many other athletes today, believes he is above the law. The system has told him that each time he got in trouble when he was in college in Virginia. He got off several times when he got in trouble at VaTech.
He is an example of the lack of accountability and respect for others and the law, that is so rampant these days.
I cannot say whether he did or did not find Jesus during these troubles, but I do find it hard to believe this. It appears that he, like many before him, think that all you have to do is say "I have been saved" and that takes care of anything they have done.
Hopefully, but not likely, Vick's career in the NFL is over. Unfortunately, the almighty dollar means more to many than respect and love/charity.
I will wait to see if Vick can walk the walk and be a positive model for young people and for those trying to find a spirit centered life.
Personally, I doubt he even has thought about what Jesus would do if He lived today.
Michael Vick was given a great gift from God and he abused it and those around him. I would like to see him do some really HARD time in prison where perhaps, he will repent and perhaps really see the light.
He will be in my prayers.
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Post by LARRY on Aug 27, 2007 20:12:19 GMT -5
>:(FEED HIM TO THE DOGS
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Post by Joan on Aug 27, 2007 20:18:28 GMT -5
Lenny.................I agree with you. He's not a "good role model" for children.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2007 20:42:11 GMT -5
Personally I agree with Larry -- Vick is a horrible person and should be fed to the dogs... He only found God as its convenient to his "image" right now...
On the other hand, I dont see why he should be blocked from playing sports... The days of sports figures as heroes is long gone... I can only think of a handful that were gentlemen Hank Aaron, Lou Gehrig, Cal Ripken, Jackie Robinson, Johnny Bench -- And I wouldnt be surprised if you told me they werent as "good" as their images presented...
I mean growing up, i thought Steve Garvey was the epitome of gentlemen ballplayers, and later found out he fathered quite few illegitimate children... Pete Rose was also in my top 10 players and look how he turned out..
Sports figures just dont seem to be good role models...
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Post by LENNY on Aug 27, 2007 21:02:22 GMT -5
James said: "Sports figures just dont seem to be good role models... "
Let's add to that:
Neither are movie stars nor Politicians.
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Post by CQuinn on Aug 27, 2007 21:02:23 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I try hard not to judge others. Whatever Michael Vick is today is a result of how society molded him in his formative years. The schools and NFL took a very talented, unsophiscated kid and they pumped him up to think he was the Golden Boy. They created him and they're just as guilty.
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Post by Joan on Aug 27, 2007 21:15:56 GMT -5
;)How right you are Tony!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2007 21:43:39 GMT -5
[quote author=CQuinn
. The schools and NFL took a very talented, unsophiscated kid and they pumped him up to think he was the Golden Boy. They created him and they're just as guilty.[/quote]
what about all the other unsophiscated athletes from a similar enviornment that didnt end up facing federal charges
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2007 22:11:42 GMT -5
i dont care how much they pumped him up to make him think he is something special, there is no reason to treat animals the way he did, i think they should give him a taste of his own medicine and let him feel some of the pain those animals felt. he makes me sick, and i hope he never plays again, he don't deserve it
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Post by Barry on Aug 27, 2007 23:23:25 GMT -5
If Vick is able to play again then Pete rose should get to the hall of fame
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 7:30:18 GMT -5
Tony, you are so right -- Movie stars & politicians are no different... I'm not saying there arent people worthy to be heroes, but the high-profile celebrity people just have their human faults publicized all over the media if they screw up... Oddly in my own personal hero list, three of them are radio DJs... Not that I want to go into radio or anything, but these three have gone way above & beyond in their help and friendship to me... If Vick is able to play again then Pete rose should get to the hall of fame Barry, as much as I want Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame too, i can justify why he isnt... He broke a rule related to baseball -- i agree it wasn't from his playing years (which is what would put him inthe HOF) , so i think he should be cut some slack, but at least the reason is related to the game... I think that Michael Vick shouldnt play football again, but only because i think he should be in jail (being beaten daily), and by the time he gets out, he will have gotten too old to play...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 11:52:37 GMT -5
[quote author=jameshannon I think that Michael Vick shouldnt play football again, but only because i think he should be in jail (being beaten daily), and by the time he gets out, he will have gotten too old to play... [/quote]
the only thing that wont happen to vick is that he will be beaten--- he will be looked up to by the others -- and with his money he will be well taken care of even in jail
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Post by Barry on Aug 28, 2007 12:47:41 GMT -5
Tony, you are so right -- Movie stars & politicians are no different... I'm not saying there arent people worthy to be heroes, but the high-profile celebrity people just have their human faults publicized all over the media if they screw up... Oddly in my own personal hero list, three of them are radio DJs... Not that I want to go into radio or anything, but these three have gone way above & beyond in their help and friendship to me... If Vick is able to play again then Pete rose should get to the hall of fame Barry, as much as I want Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame too, i can justify why he isnt... He broke a rule related to baseball -- i agree it wasn't from his playing years (which is what would put him inthe HOF) , so i think he should be cut some slack, but at least the reason is related to the game... I think that Michael Vick shouldnt play football again, but only because i think he should be in jail (being beaten daily), and by the time he gets out, he will have gotten too old to play... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Rose's gambling didn't help him get any of his 4000 plus hits. Paul Hornung was suspened in football for gambling and he is in the hall of fame Lawrence Taylor an admited drug user is in the hall of fame There are many more examples.
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Post by Fran Gyomory on Aug 28, 2007 18:43:10 GMT -5
I don't know what happened or when. My dad was my role model and my hero. I didn't need any "superstar" athlete or movie actor/singer, etc. My dad busted his back every day of his life until he passed away at the early age of 61. He and my mom raised three children and sent us to Catholic School when they could hardly afford it and he worked extra jobs to pay the tuition and buy the uniforms, etc. This is a hero! Why aren't parents the heroes anymore? ? Guess they are too busy being "buddies" to their children and earning the almighty dollar so they can bribe the kids to love them!
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Post by Barry on Aug 28, 2007 18:46:00 GMT -5
I think you got that right Fran
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Post by Lenny on Aug 28, 2007 19:00:36 GMT -5
I learned along time ago that you can't look for or have earthly hero's. People are people and will disappoint you all the time. We read about all the sports hero's and hollywood hero's and people in high places in the paper and on the news everyday.
Not to get into a religious squabble or anything, but Christ is my hero. He died for a wretch like me. None of the home run hitters, basketball stars, football hero's or movie stars can save me. Only Christ can save and the first commandment speaks to this issue. So why look to any of the above as hero's?
This is whom parents ought to be encouraging their children to look up to as a hero, yet religion, spirituality, God and the scriptures have been reduced to comic book status and no longer taken seriously. Society no longer wants God on currency, in schools and other public places, or in our pledge of allegiance and then we wonder why we as a society are in the mess we're in. Related scripture reading for those interested. (2nd Chronicles 7:14)
OKay, I'll get off my soapbox now. This is just my personal conviction which I am sharing. No offense meant to anyone!
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Post by Barry on Aug 28, 2007 19:09:03 GMT -5
No offense taken. I'm sure you are aware that when prayer was taken out of public schools thats when morality in this country started going down hill.
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Post by Lenny on Aug 28, 2007 20:00:02 GMT -5
Amen to that Barry.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 20:32:18 GMT -5
Lenny and Barry, I agree 100%
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