R. Giuliani Has A Problem!

[Deleted]

Several Christian Conservative Leaders went on record today, announcing that if he is the GOP nominee, they will put up a Third Party candidate. His views on abortion and gay marriage makes him unacceptable to a majority of the grass roots Conservative folks. There are at least two other GOP candidates out there that would qualify..but....no big bucks...no big recognition. A Third Party candidate will all but hand the election to Hillary! (just my opinion)

[Lenny]

He wasn't getting my vote anyway. He did a great job after 9/11 but he's not my choice of presidential material. Bad record on being a husband and father. Family values have declined enough without having a man in the highest office of the land with a record like his. Family values are very important and we need a good role model and example to follow. The two institutions ordained by God are Church and Family.

[Deleted]

lenny said:

He wasn't getting my vote anyway. He did a great job after 9/11 but he's not my choice of presidential material. Bad record on being a husband and father. Family values have declined enough without having a man in the highest office of the land with a record like his. Family values are very important and we need a good role model and example to follow. The two institutions ordained by God are Church and Family.

Hey Lenny ,his ex was a reporter and also wanted to be an actress. As I see it she was the first one to remarry. Half the time she was never around to support her husband ,she was out doing her own thing. I will vote for Rudy.

[LARRY]

RUDY--RUDY--RUDY--RUDY

[pegleg]

lenny said:

He wasn't getting my vote anyway. He did a great job after 9/11 but he's not my choice of presidential material. Bad record on being a husband and father. Family values have declined enough without having a man in the highest office of the land with a record like his. Family values are very important and we need a good role model and example to follow. The two institutions ordained by God are Church and Family.

I hear ya, Lenny. He's not my 1st choice either (nor my 2nd, or 3rd, or...).

The issues I'm looking at are:
-National Defense, the War on Terror
-selection of Supreme Court Justices
-the economy (and Taxes!)
-Containment of gov't growth
-immigration control

Pretty much in that order. The repubs have done a lousy job on the last two. The dems have promised to do worse on all five issues. If it's a choice between Rudy and ANY of the Dem candidates, it will be Rudy for me. And his personal life looks positively Saintly compared to the front running dem(s)- family values?

I can't think of single reason to vote for any of the dems... my wife and I aren't even expecting to have any newbornes to collect Hillary's $5K. But if The Hill gets in, we may just try for it!!!! Can you imagine a pres candidate offering such nonsense, without even first promising each and every one of us a chicken for our pot??? I never thought I'd see it.... Crazy times....

[Deleted]

Lenny, I am definitely voting for Giulliani! And I'm sure you will too, after you hear that he is the staunchest Yankee fan in NY!

[carjoh5]

Not sure yet who I am voting for, but Lenny, The way I see it is, it's really none of our business about his personal life. His Ex was also not the best. Who are we to make judment.

[Lenny]

For me...spiritual convictions are what matters the most and I follow my conscience based on those convictions.

For instance......under the law of man, anyone who takes part in crime where one person uses a weapon makes all parties to the crime guilty of using a weapon even though they did not have a weapon.

If you borrow a car from a friend and are puuled over for a moving violation and in the process drugs are found in the car, you the driver are charged with possession, even though you knew nothing about drugs being in the car and may have belonged to the person you borrowed the car from.

Guilty by association!

On the matter of Rudy Guilianni, the man has openly professed that he is pro choice. According to my own spiritual convictions, if I voted for him knowing that he supports the pro-choice stance, I would be equally as guilty as if I performed the abortion of the 1.5 million innocent and defenseless babies per year whose lives are taken. God says: "Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee, and before thou camest from the womb I sanctified thee and had your name written on the palm of my hand." (Jeremiah 1:5)

How Is An Abortion Performed?

Method One:

The abortionist inserts what amounts to nothing more than a sterilized vacuum hose and sucks the arm and legs out of their sockets. Then he uses forcepts to crush the skull because it won't fit into the suction hose. All this while the heart is beating and the brain is functionally connected to a central nervous system which means the baby feels all the pain, only no one can hear the silent screams.

Method two:

Saline Solution: This is where the baby is litterally burned out of the womb.

Abortion puts asunder what God has put together! I cannot morally be a party to this crime by voting for anyone who will have the power to continue the slaughter of the innocents simply because people cannot control their sexual appetites and having the baby would be an inconvenience..

It is important to emphasize that this same God offers forgiveness to anyone who may have had an abortion if they truly are sorry and acknowledge wrongdoing.

Furthermore, I believe that we not only have the right, but the obligation to hold anyone in authority over us to higher esteem in every aspect of their lives whether that be personal or industrial.

Recently on a show about child molestors, a Rabbi was arrested for setting up a meeting with a 13 year old girl. He was arrested, tried and convicted. Needless to say, the synagog dismissed him because people have a right to hold their spritual leaders to higher esteem. Likewise, child molesting priests are dismissed from the priesthood for the same reason and rightfully so. The same standards of higher expectations need to be applied to political leaders. America has lost God's perspective on life because of liberalism and the adoption to the standards of the humanists manifesto which holds to the belief "If It Feels Good....Just Do It." and "There is no higher authority to consider but our own."

It is not a matter of judging them but rather, a matter of reinstating dignity, honor, integrity morals, Godly standards and humanity to government in the hopes of electing into office men and women who will show proper example and be good role models for the commoners to follow, whereby restoring all the above to society in general.

[helenh1]

I can't understand what it is that people look for in a candidate. Now they want "family values" We have had 2 men in recent history who fill the bill on "family values". They both have long, happy marriage and both are respected and loved father, but both have been knocked every chance people get. They are the two Bush presidents. My vote goes to Rudy because it's very Hard to please all the people all the time. I saw Rudy turn NY around so that tells me what kind of leader he is..........

[CQuinn]

Lenny,

Voting based on spiritual convictions is exactly what the Muslim zealots do. Pegleg laid out a number of important issues which face all Americans today and will also affect our children in the future. Guiliani's divorce is a non issue, half the population has been divorced. Pro-life and stands on gun control affect only the people that make it an issue...according to a recent poll...more votes could be gained or lost on the gun control issue than abortion. I vote for the person that I feel will make America a safer and stronger country.

[Deleted]

CHARLIE, I FIRMLY AGREE WITH BOTH YOU AND PEGLEG .
IM A CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE AND IM VOTING FOR RUDY GUILIANI. HE IS THE ONLY REPUBLICAN THAT CAN BEAT HILLARY WITCH.

LENNY, I REMEMBER YOU SPECIFICALLY SAYING YOU WERE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN THE LAST CONGRESSIONAL ELECTION AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.

THE FAR LEFT DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER THE CONGRESS,AND FOR THAT WE HAVE NANCY PELOSI AND HARRY REID, AND THE FAR LEFT DEMOCRATS HEADING EVERY COMMITTEE,
THE WORST IS PATRICK LEAHY HEADING THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND HIS 'WITCH HUNT'AND FISHING TRIP AGAINST PRESIDENT BUSH AND THE FORCED RETIREMENT OF A GOOD MAN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES ABOUT THE FIRING OF SOME ASSISTANT ATTORNEYS (6)

WHILE ALL THE WHILE,
'BILLY BOY' CLINTON (GET RID OF THAT DRESS MONICA) FIRED EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM (96) WHEN HE CAME INTO OFFICE.?
NARY ONE PEEP ABOUT THAT. (DOUBLE STANDARD MAYBE?)
YOU BET YOUR SWEET PERTUTTI! THERE IS.

GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR POST LENNY, YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED AND WE ALL GOT WHAT WE DIDNT DESERVE.
GEORGE SORO'S RUNNING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HE SAID THEIR MINE, 'I BOUGHT AND PAID FOR THEM'. (THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY)

LENNY, YOU SURE SHOW CONVOLUTED THINKING AND YOU CLAIMED YOU ARE A CONSERVATIVE, NEVER HAPPENED, SOME OF THE STUFF YOU SPOUT SEEMS TO OF COME RIGHT OUT OF THE MOVEON.ORG MANIFESTO OR THE AARP LEFT WING HANDBOOK.

JIMMY

[helenh1]

Well said Jimmy and Charlie......good job

[Fran Gyomory]

I have never believed that it is appropriate to get fixated on one issue in any election. I am 100% pro-life but if the only candidate who supports pro-life issues is a FAR right winger, I do not plan to vote for them. ANYONE who is so far to the left or right is dangerous. I must admit that I agree with the fact that Muslims live their lives based on their "spiritual guide" the Koran which tells them that all who don't accept Mohammed as God are infidels and must be killed. I won't vote for a candidate on my spiritual values alone. There is so much going on in this country today that has been allowed because of yellow belly, lilly livered, liberals. What would you do if Hillary came out pro-life and pledged to end abortions? Would you all of a sudden vote for this pariah? Sorry, no one-issue candidates for me.

Rudy may have messed up his personal life and may have lived a less than "good" life as an example to others but he cleaned up NY and he took charge after 9-11 in a commendable way. He has guts. He won't take crap and believe me, the Middle Eastern leadership knows this.

[Deleted]

RUDY, IS A LAW AND ORDER MAN.
WHEN HE WAS THE FEDERAL ATTORNEY IN CHARGE OF THE EASTERN AREA OF THE USA, HE PROSECUTED AND CONVICTED EVERYONE OF THE HEADS OF THE FIVE MAFIA FAMILYS AND THEY ALL RECEIVED SENTENCES OF 100 YEARS IN JAIL.
THATS MY KIND OF GUY A LEADER.
NEVER WAS DONE BEFORE.

HE WAS GREAT HOW HE CLEANED NYC UP AND HE WAS FANTASTIC THE WAY HE HANDLED 9-11.

MY PICK FOR AT LEAST TWO TERMS AS PRESIDENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JIMMY

THAT NOISE YOU HEAR IS ME STEPPING OFF MY SOAPBOX.

[pegleg]

lenny said:

For me...spiritual convictions are what matters the most and I follow my conscience based on those convictions.

On the matter of Rudy Guilianni, the man has openly professed that he is pro choice. According to my own spiritual convictions, if I voted for him knowing that he supports the pro-choice stance, I would be equally as guilty as if I performed the abortion of the 1.5 million innocent and defenseless babies per year w

[/b][/quote] If that is how you believe, than you are probably right to not vote for Rudy. But it also means that you shouldn't have voted for ANY democrat in the past, nor ANY democrat in the future. You DO understand that the dem party is THE pro-abortion party, with few, if any, pro-life supporters (they're incompatible, imo). And the dems WILL ensure that any Justices they nominate, or approve, are pro abortion- it is their litmus test. Even Lieberman had to change his position to pro-abortion to run as VP.

The president will have no say on the issue of abortion, other than the selection of Supreme Court justices. Rudy has said that he would nominate the likes of Scalia and Roberts. The dems will nominate more like Ginsburg. I don't expect to see Roe v Wade to be overturned in my life. But if it is, that will only mean that the state legislatures will decide the issue, on a state by state basis. If you voted dem at the state level, you have already voted in support of pro-abortion.

So... where are ye going fishing on election day?

[Lenny]

I never vote Democrat. Too liberal for me. I am a Christian and it is a teaching of my church and all Christianity that abortion is wrong. It is murder. "God says thou shalt not kill." God says: Anyone who harms a child would be better off having a millstone tied around his neck, thrown into the sea and drowned than to harm one of His little ones."

A vote for any candidate who is pro-choice goes against the teachings of the church and christianity. You cannot make a distinction between who you are and what you believe on Sunday and the rest of the week. Christ said: "You Are Either For Me Or Against Me" "You cannot serve two masters" "I would rather you be hot or cold, but if you are lukewarm I will spew thee from my mouth" "Let your yes be yes and your no be no. "My people pay me lip service but keep their hearts far from me" "They will go to church and take the form of Godliness, but deny the powers therein by the way they act and think." There is no such thing as a Sunday Christian. You either are or you are not. Christianity is not just something you do on Sunday....it is a lifestyle 24/7.

As for where will I fish on election day? I will stick with the "Fishers Of Men" that Christ made His followers and follow His ways and not the ways of the world, for the world is corrupt through the influence of Satan and many are they who become his victims. "The road to hell is broad and well capable of handling the multitudes but the road to heaven is narrow and few are they who find their way."

It just may be that I will not have a choice of candidate who meets the standards of a Godly man and will have to refrain from voting for the sake of my soul, forsaking loyal patriotism for honor to God. As the saying goes: "Loyalty to country above all else....except honor to God"

The bible clearly admonishes:

"The time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but, following their own desires, will surround themselves with people who will tickle their ears with what they want to hear." (2nd Timothy 4:3)

To say that any of this is convoluted thinking, is to say that God and His word are convoluted because it is from His word that I get everything that I say here. May God help us and have mercy upon us all and lead and guide us in all our choices and decisions.

[Deleted]

my two cents, i think we should all be thankful and thank god lenny is not running for president

[Deleted]

Lenny there are many of us here that are Christians and I don't think that we should judge anyone for leaving a marriage or abortions. That is really something that is personal. No one knows why these things happen but it does and that is the reality of life.
If you don't vote because someone does not come up to your standards then please don't cry when the wrong person gets in.

[adkbarbara]

ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP RELIGION AND POLITICS DON'T MIX WELL

SORRY HAD TO GIVE MY 2 CENTS


TIGER

[Lenny]

So Let It Be Said!.......So Let It Be Done!

[Lenny]

Oooooooooooooh Barbara said the "C" word! I'm telling!

[adkbarbara]

THANK YOU

[Fran Gyomory]

I have only one final comment to anyone who questions anothers "faith" or "spirituality".....LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.

Not one person on this earth today can cast a stone.

Final statement on the subject.

[Deleted]

frangyomory said:

I have only one final comment to anyone who questions anothers "faith" or "spirituality".....LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.

Not one person on this earth today can cast a stone.

Final statement on the subject.

[Joan]

I would vote for Giuliani. Saw what he did in New York after 9/11 and how he held everyone together. I think he would be good for the job.